Minutes of May 20, 1999

[Approved 6/3/99]

Present: Bob Boisselle, Bill Dailey, Paul Locke, Peter Mortimer, Nancy Naslas

Bruce Rider, David Valade

Minutes approved

1. Voted: To accept minutes of 4/15/99 and 5/6/99. On 5/6/99 there was lack of a quorum.

Green Cards -Bow St. & Colucci Estates

2. The commission received the following Green Cards: Joe Drago - Bow St., and Dominic Colucci - Colucci Estates.

Colucci Estates

3. The commission received a copy of Appendix E to DEP regarding Colucci Estates from Frederick and Julie Cefalo for Project #2170110. This is concerning the MCC and its Order of Conditions issued 5/10/99 to Dominic Colucci. The applicant, the authorities discharged storm water drainage and runoff water onto our property without our consent. The order also authorizes the applicant, again without our consent, to construct new drainage pipes, manholes and catch basin in Maple Terrace, a private way on property which we have a legal title. The existing conditions of the applicant's site is mostly vegetation and ledge, and there is some intermittent natural runoff which flows onto our property as part of the drainage trough between abutting properties on the opposite side of Maple Terrace. The commission has authorized applicant to collect all of its surface drainage and runoff from the proposed subdivision, including all storm water street drainage and discharge it to a 21 in. pipe onto our property. This pipe and additional drainage pipes, catch basins and manholes will be constructed in Maple Terrace, a private way. Our property, which is registered land, grants us ownership right to the middle to Maple Terrace and we have not given the applicant or the commission permission to do any work in this area. The applicant also proposes to construct new sidewalks, granite curbing and add 3 ft. of fill on Maple Terrace. Proposed work is in an area subject to protection pursuant to 310CMR1058. The commission's order does not address the requirements contained in 310CMR1058 4C relative to construction of these infracted structure items. We contend that the commission has exceeded their authority by issuing the Order of Conditions to the applicant, which authorizes him to use our property without our permission for the purpose of discharging water from his proposed subdivision onto our property. Further we contend that the commission's Order of Conditions is in direct violation of 310CMR10056I General Condition 2 of the Order of Conditions and 310CMR10584C. We hereby request that the department issue a superseding Order of Conditions, which would enforce the above regulations and prohibit the applicant from discharging water onto our property. We also request that all work authorized in the original Order of Conditions which is to be performed on property which the applicant does not have the title to shall be stricken from that order.

David: He doesn't understand that we haven't authorized anything, we have only said the plans are acceptable.

7 Indian Hill Lane

4. Received - 7 Indian Hill Lane - Certificate of Compliance from the Registrar of

Deeds Middlesex South, dated 4/27/99, Book #1260.

51B Granite and Burnett

5. Application is received to construct a single family at Lot 51B Granite and Burnett

St.. The personal response for compliance on site with this order is Gabrielle Venturo 82 Vista Ave., Medford; work # 617-889-3165; home - 781-391-0313. Work to commence to remove trees and other work associated with the same 5/12/99.

Bob: The reason this letter is generated is because of my action that occurred two weeks ago. I got a number of calls in the area talking about chain saws working on the property and they wanted to know if I was aware of it. I told them I received no indication at all from the applicant. I went to the site and requested a cease of operations. A flurry of phone calls occurred; couldn't find the owner and the manager of the company didn't want to get involved between the commission, DEP and the owner, so he just called his crews back in and the lot was half done. They were stripping the trees or most of the shrubs in the area. Mr. Venturo's plan is downstairs in the Building Dept. being reviewed. I had a request from the Building Dept. for a copy of the Order of Conditions for the site. I gave them a copy and they are reviewing it now for final determination. That is the first stage of Granite and Burnett St.

Nancy: Does the Building Dept. have the DEP's superseding Order of Conditions?

Bob: Yes, they have the entire package.

Slatyon Road/Capuano Property

6. The commission approved the building of a garage in the rear of the property. There

seems to be more of a neighborhood feud going on at that particular piece of property. We have been through this before and the neighbor, who is a lawyer, is claiming that they cannot build in that particular area and was surprised that a garage was being considered for that area. The question was that they were all notified, and the lawyer said she was not notified. Checking the records, we have a stamped receipt from the post office that a notice was mailed to them. The only question was that when we were on site, there was a pile of dirt over the hay bales. We requested them to pull the dirt back and put new hay bales and also to put up the DEP sign that was there. They also talked about a crushed rock driveway and some of the dirt had slid down and compacted on top of that. We requested they remove the dirt and put in more gravel rock. We received a call from the neighbor indicating there was flooding occurring on her property. We went to the site a couple of days later (after 2 days of rain) and her property was bone dry.

MCC Budget

7. Bob met with the Mayor and came out of the hearing with just about $22,000. He

received notice this evening that the final budget has been presented before the Board of Alderman of $17,555, which is approximately $400 more than the previous year. The Mayor told him tonight before the meeting there was a follow-up letter that should have been with this package, indicating there is extra money that is coming into the budget and there are specific projects that he is looking for and the Conservation Committee is still on the books for more money.

Geographic Town Management System Software Package

8. The Commission has purchased the GTMS software package.

Periodicals/Library/School

9. Bob talked with Dr. Priest, Science teacher, at Melrose High School. He is interested in a wetlands and conservation type project. Bob offered to supply him with literature/kits/books that would be needed.

Voted: It was voted to spend $500 - $600 to purchase literature, books, and/or periodicals pertaining to wetlands and conservation for library or school use.

Recorder

10. Voted to purchase a new recorder for improved clarity in transcribing MCC minutes.

Dues/MACC

11. Voted: to pay the dues for MACC totaling $335.

3 Hemenway Ave.

12. James Petrella, 3 Hemenway Ave., submitted an application for determination.

David reviewed the application. Mr. Petrella wants to build a deck, and based on the options we could offer a negative determination. His deck will be approximately 20 ft. from the edge of the wetland boundary. However, David recommended we don't do a final approval of the negative determination, because the plan on which he submitted he has a 40 x 15 ft. deck that is adjacent to an 8 ft. deck with a possible gazebo, and after working with Mr. Gregorio, he thinks that is too expensive and is now looking at a deck that will stand out 21 ft. from the house which is 13 ft. beyond the original deck and 24 ft. long. So the plan he submitted is not what he is going to do. We could ask him to resubmit his final plan.

Voted: The determination is denied because the plans have changed and we will request him to resubmit his final plan.

Voted: To recess for 8 ½ minutes

Public Hearing:

Renovation Franklin Fields off Green Leaf Place

13. A public hearing was held for the purpose to discuss the renovation of the Franklin Fields off Green Leaf Place submitted by Moriece & Gary for the City of Melrose Park Department.

Bob: At the front of the table there is a map showing the location and the facility itself, 2 playing fields, the play area and other structures nearby. We will be discussing that and will have presentation by the representatives of the applicant, and then we will open it up to the public.

Ben Gary (with Moriece & Gary) representing the applicant, Park Dept. of Melrose: The project/plan here is outlined in green so you know what we are proposing to do. This green area is the present park. There is a play area over in the corner. As you know, there are 2 soccer fields out there now, a somewhat smaller one in the lower area and there is a slight rise, and there is a soccer area up there. We found at the very minimal of the loam there the lot impressions rocks poking through the surface, etc. The Parks Dept. got together some money from the city and wants to renovate it. The dark green most of you know is designated a wetland area, the Wetland Scientist looked at it just to confirm that it is. There is a small wetland area over here that is not quite part of that system, but is also covered under the wetland regulations. Contrary to what we show in our plans in here, we happen to think that according to the flood map that this entire field is subject to flooding, not just the dot line we show here, we assume the elevation is 54 and the entire is in the floodplain. I don't know whether the residents have seen it, but if it had a 100-yr. flood, you would have had anywhere from 2 ft. to 4 ft. of water over the entire field area. Flood emergency management maps are not always 100% accurate, but they generally are pretty good. The elevation is not always perfect, but there is going to be elevation talking with the state engineering dept. Therefore we are not proposing to change our grades, we cannot raise the area because that is a flood storage area, so we are trying to leave the grades of the field in the corner, in the middle and to what essentially they are. There are depressions out there and we are going to be leveling those off.

The process involved in here is to excavate about 2 inches of material out there and to replace that with 6 in. of gravel and 6 in. of loam. There is no loam worth recovering there, it is in very poor shape. The field also is to be irrigated, and it will be an automatic one so that all of the green there will be green, once it is hopefully constructed it will be more intensively used. Therefore, establishing a turf out there and irrigation is important. It is also developed at least one of these fields has to be ready this fall, because one of the schools has been taken out of circulation so to speak. So therefore we have in our plans to sod it, not just to seed it, but to put sod down along with the irrigation.. That puts somewhat of a cramp on the budget, initially the monies were to cover the entire area and just to loam seed it.. The contract is out to bid, but it is broken into two pieces, the lower play field here, and the second is the upper one. They ultimately have allowed them to sod this one for sure and maybe sod the other field depending how the bids are and how competitive the contractors are. We are aware, as everyone is, that periodically the sewer surcharges in here when there are heavy rainstorms. We will not repair the sewerage business that goes on down there. It is rather complex as some of you suspect or know. The plan is only to take the existing turf out there and to put new loam in and to sod and irrigate the site. We are putting in fencing though. There is no fencing along the parking and driveway here. Kids run back and forth for balls, etc., so we are proposing along the edge of the pavement in here a chain link fence. There will be an opening here so you can pass through it, but we want to discourage vehicles and also to try to have some control over how the field is being used. Also, just above the wetlands here, right at the edge of the field, we are also putting a fence to discourage balls, etc. going to the wetlands and also help keep people out.. So it is a maintenance issue and a play issue. That is the scope of the project. We provided a notice to the commission, we submitted some supplemental information to the printed list of abutters, the report by the environment plans as they looked at it. That is the proposal. If all goes well, the commission will see fit to give an Order of Conditions, and the hope is that this will be done this summer and completed in the fall.

David: Can I make an assumption. I know if there is even a 100 year storm, this won't really matter. But my assumption now is that the soils are probably impact considerably and the new soding will allow more absorption of the water.

Ben: Yes, the reason we are underlying with the gravel base in here is that the soil is not reported to be very good. But that will absorb the water, plus we get 6 in. of loam.

David: So it will help in less than 100 year storm? When it doesn't fully flow down gradient, it won't receive as much water?

Ben: That is absolutely right. I should have mentioned there will be the standard hay bales and silt fence around the wetland area. It is an absorption quality, but underneath that grass there will be more there than there is now.

Bob: So you are removing 12 inches and replacing it with 12 inches?

Ben: Yes.

Nancy: So there is no net increase on site. And it is lessening with the drainage improvements by putting in better soil. It will actually hold a little bit more water than it did before?

Ben: I think it will. I don't think it will contribute to the flooding, it will reduce it, but I think the waters that generate there, the paved areas as you know from the back of the buildings, are pitched towards that area. There are a couple of catch basins and there is an outlet, but when that gets surcharged, it doesn't work as well.

Nancy: Since you're having 2 bids for this work, is there a chance you could have 2 separate contractors working on site?

Ben: I think we will only have one.

Nancy: I just wondered if you have given a thought to sequencing at least as far as we are concerned, all the silt fence and hay bales to be constructed across the wetland before either contractor worked if there were two.

Ben: It has to be done and you are given twenty-four hour notice, if you wish to go out and inspect. You can come anytime before they start work. The way the laws of the Commonwealth work, we have a base bid and then we have an alternate. Whoever has the best combination is awarded the contract, so we probably will definitely not split it. The one contractor will hold one person responsible for it. That is the way we think it will work, and that is how he bids. All the bidders, and there are about 6 now, will have their bids in sometime next week and then we have 30 days.

Public::

Bob: Is there anyone who wishes to speak who is in favor of this project?

No response.

Bob: Is there anyone against this project who would like to speak?

Renee Chisholm, 8 Greenleaf Place: If you are going to put in so much money, what about the sewerage problem? You are more than willing to put money in a field that might get flooded out again. I know the Towers parking lot gets flooded. You have to take care of our sewerage problem down there.

Bob: The sewerage problem is an engineering problem of the City of Melrose and they are trying to handle it because of the flooding that did occur in the past two years back to back. It is still an ongoing project with the Dept. of Engineering. This conservation group has no jurisdiction over the "sewerage interstructure" that is close to this project.

Renee Chisholm - I guess my question is that if you are going to put that much money into making a playing field, I don't know if I am way out of line on what monies is for the water.

Bob - The Mayor is the government body who makes the allocation for funding for this particular project. If you have considerations or comments concerning the funding of this project, you should direct them to the Mayor's office at this point. He is your elected official for this particular city and we are just managing this particular area and making sure that the conservation commission regulations are not violating that area.

Sal Savarino, 2 Green Leaf Place: ¾ of it is my lot that the city took. That originally was a wetland. My feeling is not to get a field there. Look at the brook. Is the brook out of the wetland?

Bob: That is a culvert they put in there.

Sal Savarino: My kids used to play in that concrete culvert from Stoneham.. They put the culvert into that, and when we get a heavy, heavy rain, the water comes over the piping and it comes in and I get flooded. Before I never got flooded. They put stone, etc. and everything left over. If they had come to clean it, they wouldn't have filled that all in. That's the problem of the wetland today. I have nothing against the children. Children are great. I have 4 of my own. But I feel like they have filled too much already.

Bob: This project that the gentleman is indicating is not filling the area, he is taking 12 inches off and putting 12 inches in. That is all he is doing.

Sal Savarino - Can they open another part of that mega field and leave a swale?

This is what we need.

David: Unfortunately, historically, the attitude was to fill anything. Wetlands were waste products and you should just dump dirt into them. One of the things that our job as a commission is to do, is to make sure that doesn't continue to happen. Scientist and other people have recognized the value of wetlands, both to prevent flooding and also for clean water quality. At this point in time if that were a full wetland like you said, and it was brought before us, the answer would be "no you can't fill it". Unfortunately, now because it has been filled, all we can do is to make sure they don't fill what is left and make sure the flooding doesn't get worse as a result of the project.

Sal Savarino: What would have happened if I built it. People would make me remove that.

Bob: Yes, at this point and time, you would get a cease and desist order.

Nancy: Because now we have the Wetlands Protection Act regulations.

Paul: If the city tried to fill it now, they would also cease and desist order.

Sal Savarino: People were down there and they didn't do it properly, did they?

Nancy: How long ago did they construct those fields?

Renee Chisholm: 20 years ago.

Bob: The Wetland regulations are basically 10 or 15 years old.

Sal Savarino: My property is right down there and I take good care of it and I feel bad they filled it all in with stones and boulders.

Bob: That is what this particular project is doing, is taking some of the 12 inches of that dirt, putting in the gravel and putting in sod which will assist in absorbing some of that water, which is now just running off and going everywhere.

Sal Savarino: We are in a swift swale. That was always open and never a problem. I am not against the field.

Renee Chisholm: What is it going to be used for exactly?

Bob: It is a combination for the school and activities for the children in Melrose.

Renee Chisholm: When Melrose Soccer got put in effect, they used Green Leaf Place which is a private road. The City of Melrose told us, as residents of that road, that we would have to pave it and take care of it. At the beginning of the youth soccer, they had all the people park at Johnny's parking lot. They put the gate there so that nobody had to hop fences. They used it for one year. We still don't get our potholes back. There are now 5 kids living on that road that weren't there 5 years ago. We have a cop who lives across the street and he put a speed detector sign up. These people go 40 mph down our street. I have a 5 year old and I think it is great that they are putting a park there. Something has to be done about the use of the street.

Sal Savarino: Why are you using every single bit of the field down there? Is there a way to open up something to take a million gallons of waters? There is something that should be done.

Bob: There are 2 fields there now.

Lila Hennessey, Chairman of Board of Trustees at Melrose Towers: I attended the last meeting that was held on this project, and one of the parts of the project was to clean up the culvert and it was suggested that it would be narrowed and more directed.

Bob: That was part of the project did you say?

Lila: That is what we were told.

Bob: Who told you that?

Lila Hennessey: Mr. Amirault at the Park Commission meeting.

Renee Chisholm: They were talking about putting in like a skateboard park, so maybe that was when it was heard.

Lila Hennessey: My concern is the culvert because it is very dangerous. Is there some way you can put a cage fence over it. I know you aren't going to repair because that is part of the sewerage dept., but I watch the children and they got in there and that water is filthy and contaminated. The way the children play around the edge, there will be slips and falls and could be a drowning. It took 2 years of numerous calls to city hall to tell someone come and clean out where the water drains, and it still never was empty.

Bob: Right now, the commission has to go by certain guidelines, rules and regulations. We are only responsible for this particular area that we are looking at, and that includes the dark green area and about a 100% buffer area around that. This is the only area that we have the right to do any limitations on this project. Some of the topics you are bringing up are regarding funds being used and should go to the Mayor's office; the sewerage aspect goes to the Engineering Dept. which handles the water and the sewerage problems. If you are having culvert problems up here you should be calling Joe Lynch in the Engineering Office and have him and his crew do some work. Did Rick Amirault of the Park Dept. say there is some sort of clean-up that is going on here? You better get that in writing at this point. You may want to do that through the Mayor's office. Did you meet with the Parks Dept.?

Those attending this hearing were not certain which department they had previously met with regarding this project, but stated they had met in this very same conference room.

David: If we had the authority, which we don't, to say tear out the pipes and open it and make a big swale. That would destroy the whole field.

Sal Savarino: We need these fields for the children, right?

Bob: That is what we are hearing. If you go to any Parks Dept. meeting, you will find 3 or 4 groups looking to use the field. They seem to be running out of field space. Since there is very little open space in Melrose available, they are looking for every bit of land they can squeeze into. The Parks Dept. has the jurisdiction to change the fields to the particular type of activities.

Sal Savarino: What do you people make recommendations for?

Bob: We are making sure, right now the field isn't raised in height. Right now it has a specific grade, so we are not looking to put another 12 inches on top of that because that would squirt us a lot more water everywhere, you would think you have a swimming pool inside your house.

Paul: Our responsibility is to make sure the flooding problems you are having are not made any worse and that the wetlands everywhere are protected.

Peter: As Bob already stated, there are different city agencies for the problems. For the problems you are talking about, it is kind of a question of closing the barn door after the horse is already gone. But with 12 in. out, 12 in., we can at least do as much for you to make sure it doesn't get any worse. That is all the power we have to make sure it doesn't get any worse.

Ed Swensen; 49 Melrose St.: I would like to remind you of the response you get from the city. Following the last rainstorm, the north fence bordering your wetlands was covered with 4 ft. of waste material, toilet paper, etc. The Fire Department, the Alderman, the Mayor, the Board of Health all looked at it. About one month went by, and I went right back, asking for the same process, including the Board of Health. Two months later I got a copy from the Board of Health to the city saying "why hasn't this been cleaned up"? Now that was a health hazard and was caused by exactly what you are talking about. I know you people can't go up there and do the sewerage changes. That is in conjunction with the MDC, etc. One other thing that I don't think was addressed. You mention the fact that these fields will be more aggressively used. What about the traffic and parking? You have one little street with potholes coming down there, and it is being used to its maximum degrees right now. Now we live overlooking the field on the north end of the building. Every evening, Sat. a.m., Sunday a.m., there is soccer. The kids are great, it's the coaches with the whistles and the whole thing. Now we put up with that until 6 p.m., Sat., Sun., and many evenings. You are putting the cart before the horse. You are taking money and putting it into the fields, which is great, but the field is there. I think that money could be used for other purposes.

Bob: You have brought up problems regarding money, roadway, sewerage, have you discussed this with your alderman?

Ed Swensen: Why isn't our alderman here tonight? I talked with him and he was gong to talk with them, and we never heard from him. They had to get a boat and bring the people out. It seems you could take one of those fields and put a wetland or something there. It seems to me when the Fire Dept. came, they wouldn't even go in the building. They went and got a boat. They wouldn't even walk through the water. You people haven't seen a flood like this.

Bob: Yes, I have.

Ed Swensen; It seems to me you could take one of those fields and perhaps put in a swale or retention pond or something, rather than use every inch of that land and leave the wet spots without any improvement on them.

Peter: Mr. Swensen, we don't disagree, but the things you are asking for are far beyond the scope of the authority of this board. It may very well be that taking out a second field and making that a retention pond could be the way to go, but to do that the Mayor and the Alderman are the people you have to see. We are here to ensure the wetlands are not further impacted upon.

Renee Chisholm: We received a notice that said you are holding a meeting. None of us know any of this law.

Ed Swensen: Everyone's assessment went way up, too.

Ellen Chisholm, 8 Greenleaf Place - After all this is done, you are going to put heavy equipment coming down Green Leaf Place, is that right? The only access way of getting anything in there is with heavy equipment. What are the plans for the road after the field is done? Right now, there is no sidewalk. Every one of our steps enter the street, so we are talking the width of one truck. Right now it is loaded with potholes because of the excess volume of traffic down there that never went before.

Renee Chisholm: There is no access for a heavy truck to come through Franklin and avoid Green Leaf Place altogether, there is just no way you are going to do that.

Ellen: The dump trucks can just barely get through our house and the house across the street now. Heavy equipment has not attempted to come down the street yet. Have you taken the measurement of that point of the driveway?

Bob: Jeff Luxenberg, City Planner, will be coordinating some of this activity, Rick Amirault is basically the overviewer at this point from the Park Dept. We have been asked a lot of questions? Ben, do you have anything that can clarify anything there.

Ben: We do a lot of work all over the Commonwealth. Laws were not always around and the wetlands were filled because it was cheap and no one else wanted it, especially in areas where there was not much land. The City is always pressed for money for everything, and it is a pain for neighbors to have to take out time where you would think somebody would take care of something because you pay taxes. But everyone is competing for the money, everybody is out there wanting something on their dime. Let's take the strategy that the City is making an investment here in new fields, there is a new school, etc. It seems to me that these long problems here can be used not as leverage necessarily, but as this is terrific, but there are some associated problems as we are sure you are aware of in your city. What I think is happening is when is rains the sewer system gets infiltrated with the storm water, so you have the sewer and storm water and the whole thing backs up. You don't want to dump that into wetlands or detention basin, so my first comment is bolt the thing down, it will go somewhere else though. It may be not as simple as that. I do know that Joe Lynch has studied this and they do have some ideas what can be done, but I think they have to have some encouragement. The case may be that you say we have to have safe traffic down here and/or the construction certainly will do it no favors. I am suggesting that this may be going to happen and you can use this project as something to say "well, more good things could happen'. I wish we could do more. Your first comment shows the situation is not a good one. In East Longmeadow we had flooding for years and 30 years they complained, nothing was ever done. We did get them to appropriate a study, get the money and find out what the real problem was and then to make recommendations how to correct it. And then when that was done, they are appropriating money gradually to make the corrections. My experience is there are ways in which a good project, which I think this is, makes an improvement on something that is needed, but the monies are not enough and didn't go beyond, and that is the way it goes sometimes. We are aware of it, we would like to think we are omnipotent, just like the commission here would like to be, but we are very limited. I am suggesting tonight that we are not unaware, and maybe something can be worked out.

Lila Hennessey: I would like to make one comment regarding the 100 year flood. I have lived at Melrose Towers for 25 years and there have been 7 serious floods there. That is why I am concerned about irrigation and nothing being done about that culvert as part of the problem.

Bob: It is true because the area that you are in, and where the middle school is, where Ell Pond is, and even where Johnnie's Foodmaster is, are all in what we call floodplain. Building on a floodplain "represents flooding", and that can occur every 100 years or every two years, or every year for two years as well. Building on a floodplain presents the problem for future flooding of your property.

David: The term 100 year flood we are trying to define a little bit because when I was on the commission I thought you get one every 100 years and what do we get, one every year for two years. It is just a statistical likelihood of a certain amount of rain in a 24 hour period. It really doesn't have a lot to do with that it is going to happen once every 100 years. I think they have only been measuring participation probably for 60-70 years at the most. We don't have historical records, it is just that this is a guess that this is the likelihood that could happen with this amount of rain and this is what it could do.

Sal Savarino: I have been here 40 years and I have seen 12. I have pictures of it.

Bob: We've seen some of the flooding in Melrose.

Sal Savarino: The only thing I can say is if you could open that part of that wetland and keep it clean. You have taken every bit of that land and used it and haven't left anything for us.

Bob: That is what the Park Dept.and School Dept. have done.

Nancy: I might suggest downstairs in the hallway there is a list of all the various commission meetings, and since you are all together and concerned about the same issues, you might want to go look at those scheduled and decide do you want to present your concerns and go talk to some of the other commissioners that have more control over some of these issues.

Bob: While you are at it, there are hearings going on this evening downstairs. Your alderman is there. The mayor is there also. The are looking at their budget.

Ellen Chisholm: We are going to have a field down there, but no access to it because the street is not going to be important.

Bob: Did you say it is a private way?

Ellen: Yes, it is a private way.

Voted: The hearing is closed.

Bob: Back to your project. So you are going to have bay hales along the green area?

Ben: Yes.

Bob: You are also putting a fence around this area.

Bob: We are starting up here and will put the fence all around so the cars at night cannot get in. We'll put a nicely sod area here.

Nancy: The silt fence and hay bales are shown on the plan they submitted to us.

Ben: Yes, the only thing that is different here was that we decided the soil is just too bad, so we are just taking 12 inches out. I have copies of this with the change. This is actually the working document with details, hay bales, etc.

Bob: I would like a copy of that.

Bob: Green Leaf is a private way. The city is going to use this for major equipment to get into that site. What are the legalities here?

Paul: The city is an abutter so they have access to that private way.

Bob: Have you received a DEP number yet?

Bob: No, before we give the finalizing order, we will need that number. You may want to give DEP a call.

Ben: We've had calls in. I don't know if they are very busy or what, but we will call again.

Voted: To approve this project to the Order of Conditions that we will put together.

Voted: Moved to table the development of an Order of Conditions to the first meeting following the receipt of the DEP #.

Voted: To adjourn at 9 p.m.

Respectfully submitted,

Nancy Pritchard

Commission Secretary