Minutes of February 15, 2001

[Approved 4/19/01]

Present: Bob Boisselle, Bill Dailey, Paul Locke, Nancy Naslas, David Valade

Voted: to accept the minutes of February 1, 2001.

Voted: to pay the secretary's invoice for $159 for work done in January.

Correspondence:

Mass Wildlife News: Winter Waterfall Inventory has been completed. There is going to be a vernal pool workshop mid March to early May in Princeton/Wellesley. There will be a series of workshops. It is a six-hour workshop designed for teachers who wish to incorporate the study of vernal pools into the middle or high school level. Contact number is 508-792-7270, ext.200, and you also get a teacher resource kit complete with 90 slides in a field guide to animals of the vernal pool. Bob will send this information on to the appropriate person at the high school.

From the Department of Environmental Protection:

"Beavers or Muskrat Control Where Public Health Threats Exist.

Dear Conservation Commission, Water Supplier and Board of Health.

Enclosed are new guidelines concerning the catching, trapping, and addressing flooding problems, caused by the beavers in Massachusetts.

This is an informative document about the beaver's history and ways to get around the dams without really busting dams up with dynamite, etc. Also included is a set of drawings and showing how to live with the beavers."

The Citizens Forester - Massachusetts Urban Forestry Program February 2001. This is a newsletter from them showing the activities that are going on in February and March concerning forestry or trees. Landscape professional winter study course will begin; urban tree symposiums; UMass Greenery Tree Conference; Storm Group in your Community/Amherst; National Arbor Day March 13; and a drawing on "Kids Love For Trees", a contest that is going on for National Arbor Day. The winning poster is due March 20 and the winning school will get a $100 in art supplies and a chance to go for the National Contest.

The Department of Environmental Protection, Bureau Resource Protection: We have the Waterline quarterly brochure talking about the environmental management systems, resources that are available, drinking water facing challenges in small towns, and they have a book and video resource library available to the cities and towns; also an update on the wetlands mapping information in MA. They have information concerning wetlands and waterway staff updates and circuit rider updates, tel. no. and some of the surveys in sub-basins that are going on.

Budget - Fiscal Year 2002

The commission reviewed the budget to be submitted for fiscal year 2002, totaling $31,230, an increase of approximately $5,000 because of conservation maintenance; we are not sure what the status will be of the lilies in the ponds at this point. There has been an estimate of hydro raking for approx. $5,000 - $6,000. We won't know if that $5,000 will be used until May/June to see what the lily aspects look like at all ponds. It was recommended to include as part of the conservation maintenance a wood guardrail at Swains Pond for approximately $12,000.

Paul: It would be interesting to see how much time and money we are spending pulling cars out of the pond.

It was decided to include the guardrail which would bring the budget at approx. $43,000.

Voted: To open the meeting up to the public.

Linda Benezra - 340 Porter St.: In regards to the budget that you just passed, if in fact, you are able to get the money that you need for the guardrail, would you consider looking into the plastic recycle products that are out there as opposed to whatever. The city has a policy that says if the price is comparable, then we should get recycled whenever possible.

Nancy: There is a product that looks like wood for they have used for benches and other areas. That would be fine.

Linda: Right, I hope you will consider that.

Bob: Are there guardrail type plastic like that? I am just wondering if there is a standard for preventing crashing for these type of guard rails.

Nancy: Whatever is used to meet all the street ordinances for materials. It has to look like wood.

Linda: The policy is as long as the price is comparable. In regards to Mt. Hood, I would ask if you would consider doing soil samples on the site on the easterly slope coming down off of the proposed ball fields into what I believe is Isolated Land Subject to Flooding #2. I ask for that because in that slope there are big pieces of brick wall cemented together and there are other contaminants that we have seen in other places, but this brick wall, a couple of big pieces of that suggest to me that perhaps this is a different fill than what we were promised, so I would just ask if you could consider having samples done of that. Thank you.

Nancy: I wish to say I visited that area with Ms. Benezra, and also saw some of the clay there seemed to be different colors than the way it looked in a lot of the other portions. One area was particularly black and ashy. This is the Isolated Land Subject to Flooding on northeast corner of the area.

Closed to public discussion.

Mt. Hood Golf Course

Bob: This evening we have Parks and Engineering Dept. coming in regarding the Cease & Desist Order concerning the Mt. Hood Golf Course.

Joe Lynch: We have hopefully assisted in various descriptions. I have broken the project area into what I think would be areas of concern. I specifically addressed in the Enforcement Order, and actually another area that is not addressed in the Enforcement Order, but I think was intended to be, and is actually perhaps through us refuting whether there was an impact on north. It came to life a couple of days ago upon inspection when we had one of the warmer days when we had some melt off. That area is what is known as Wetland #1 in the Order of Conditions, which is actually Pond 3, the irrigation pond for Mt. Hood. There was an allegation that silt was finding its way into that pond and I had denied it, and Rick and Walt had denied it, and the denial was based on looking at overland conditions of where erosion might have occurred across the soil above the surface and found its way to a wetland, as erosion typically would occur. Quite honestly, there was none of that, but a couple of days ago on a trip up there and the sun being just right, we found a subterranean brook in the area of water flowing in this area. There was no pipe connection that we know of anyway, and no overland flow of silt and nonetheless, silt getting that we know of anyway, and no overland flow of silt, and nonetheless silt getting into this area, and by looking upgrade, and I think it is attributed to rock fractures or fractures in the rock, and the water which is trapped and squandered up in this vicinity, finding its way down through those trapped rocks and then out through and into this area. We have done this in that area pre-emptively knowing that it is something you would totally order upon us anyway. We have installed four rows of double hay bales within the swale of this area where the water is flowing, and I am not talking about a trickling flow of water, although when we first had seen it, it was merely a trickling flow. Today it was actually flowing quite steadily with no contributory upgrading ponded area, very peculiar. But what we did find is the ponded area up here in what looked to be movement within the slurry of suspended clay in that water from the movement, suggesting that water was finding its way down into that rock and probably contributing to the flow through here. So though these hay bales are in at this moment, we also intend, haven't done it, but will tomorrow install another hay bale line here and upgrading of it on the clay side, a gravel filter berm with filter fabric in it, and you are going to see by pictures that we pass out later on, that is a method I intend to use here and we have used in here and has acted effectively as a BMP.

Bob: Before you go any further Joe, could you orient us where we are on your plans, starting with the tower.

Paul: The tower is right here, the roadway up to the tower is this, the parking area at the tower is this, the haul road that was the early part of the project coming from the compost area is down here, the ILSF, which was the subject of the first Order of Conditions , ILSF #1 is here, the haul road up and around the ILSF #2, this being the low flat area known as the 12^th Fairway, and then the sloped rock embankment which is the fill area now, north being that way.

David: The area you are talking about, former Alderman Foss, believes there is some kind of, not actually a pipe, but stones that were put underneath there so it could allow the flow of water and what we saw and what you observed looked like that could be the case.

Joe: That is why I say I believe it is fractured rock the way it is flowing. Pass these pictures around, and I am going to hesitate it as you review these pictures. I have put the numbers on the photographs of where they are as we talk about the various areas. This is our first area. Yes, though it is originating at the top of the hill about this area, and it does seem to be concentrated in that area, there probably is a very definitive fracture rock, that the water just finds its way through.

Dave: In looking at the flow when I was there on Saturday, I measure it probably gallons per second, it was 2 or 3, it wasn't a slow flow.

Joe: No, and today it was heavier than it was earlier this week, and this is somewhat effective, it is certainly trapping the water that finds it way filtering through it, but at this point you are too close to the wetland. This, we would leave in place, but I really and truly believe that at the source of where we want to check it. The reason why we selected here is that this is the undisturbed part of the fairway that is still grass area where the water is pooling and above here is the clay fill area, so any water that is finding its way off that fill to the pooled area is bringing the clay with it there, and it is not that surface that finds its way, but then it is working its way down through this rock

Dave: From what I observed it is very fine silt, it probably would go through hay bales. It looks like you have got some kind of fabric in it as well.

Joe: There is a double row of hay bales with filter fabric that sits sandwiched in between it. It is a highly turban type of soil that when it gets into suspension, it takes an awful lot to bring it out of suspension. We really need to slow it down.

Rick Amirault: What we used was actually a thick felt fabric, rather than a regular black fabric, that strains the water much more finely than a black regular fabric.

David: Could you observe the water was clearer at the bottom of your cascade?

Joe: Clearer, but not clear enough. That is why these are in place at this point, and these need to be put in tomorrow because it is not stopping it at the source, and I think that the pooling action upon the fairway itself is the slowing of the water you want to get that out of suspension, so as much as we prevent that from getting fouled up with the surface silt, is really where you want to control the most of it. Get most of those suspended solids out before they go into suspension, and then allow the water to filter through.

David: Based on observations, it could be days or even weeks before the water seems clear at the bottom, because of what is in that pool and potentially the ground. I know you can't speculate.

Joe: It is highly turban, and it is going to take a lot to settle it out.

David: I just want to make people aware who go and observe that tomorrow and see stuff coming through, even if you have done all the correct things, it could still be coming through for a while.

Joe: That is an honest assessment, and quite frankly I think from the beginning of this project, and re-emphasizing much greater detail in the enforcement order, the end result of all of this will have to be absolutely an environmental assessment, not only to these two areas as described in this enforcement order, or these two areas in the previous Order of Conditions, but now also this area.

David: Potentially Pond 2 as well. The water isn't overflowing the dam, but it is appears to be coming through the dam and cleans Pond 3 and Pond 2.

Joe: I hadn't seen it in the past, but it was not coming through turbulent today. But there needs to be an assessment: 1) remediation plan; 2) and the implementation of remediation plan 3, and the plan would be submitted to you people through a site walk up to the public hearing itself for review and approval prior to us undertaking it. If you want to expand the assessment with something that is circled, it should be discussed at that time. The reason why I say that is even recognizing how highly turbulent this is, we have

already agreed and continue to maintain that we have to do this assessment in restoration anyway, and as so long as we continue to have these BMP's and not worsening it, the assessment and implementation of a remediation plan should address it, to take care of it. The next area that I understood was of concern was along that haul road. We were concerned back many months of our trucks moving along that area, finding its way to the edge and toppling over was one concern, and the second concern was getting too close to the edge, causing the area to slide down, and in addition to that was hay bales on the bottom of the hill and intermediately along the hill. Most of the haul operations, not all of them, most have been suspended. They have done filling up in the higher area, but nonetheless this remains in force in effect, and we re-established all

the hay bay lines along the top of the jersey barriers along that haul road, and added a second barrier because we are finding out through the spring melt off in the movement of water that some of that water was finding its way along the edge and then doubly back down in, so we added this new road here as well, and that is another photograph I just passed around with a #2 on it.

David: And it appears where you added your new hay bale, it was probably further issues caused by the fact that it looked like whoever did the plowing, pushed the snow into that area where you have indicated the new hay bales are.

Joe: I can't tell you where the snow plows were, but I can tell there was activity and what we did do is where this area of water had moved and run the ridge line soil that has been there since the last action we were here on, that ridge line was holding water back and I think it was breaching and washing over, so prior to setting the hay bales I think they went with the bulldozer and back-bladed and dragged that ridge line back away from the edge, created a flat platform before the hay bales went in.

David: If we get in a situation where they do plow snow up there again, it might be worth making sure, whoever does it is aware that they shouldn't push it in there, because that may have broken your ridge line that you were relying on before. Both Ms. Benezra and I spoke of that when we were up there, that it looked like the plows had pushed the snow in there.

Joe: Probably, the same problems happen on streets. I would almost be certain it would happen off the beaten track.

Rick Amirault: The way we put the barriers this time, it won't allow them to get in there. It's a double row at the front and top.

Joe: As you draw attention to that picture #2, I think if you see the old jersey barrier line and the old hay bale lines stopped short, and we extended them all the way out to that rock north so there used to be an area that perhaps could have had a vehicle go through it. They would literally have to plow through the hay bales now in order to get in there.

David: That addressed the issues at the top. Did you work at the bottom of the slope as well?

Joe. No. When the restoration plan comes in, there will be an operation where you mechanically have to get in, pull that soil up on the hill. This roadway actually gets cut back if you recall, the top of that roadway gets cut back further away from the edge to make that hill more gradual.

David: There is a couple of things worth noting along there. The first is about midway on the jersey barriers there is considerable erosion in the side of the hill that you might want

to take a look at if you haven't already. My concern is that the road is at the point where if someone were close to the jersey barriers, the side of the hill may collapse.

Joe: Like you said, it is about midway, and the photographs show a slight depression in the jersey barriers, where perhaps some soil sliding away.

David: And the second issue is below the jersey barriers the soil is built up and spilled over a little bit, and the hay bale at the base of the hill, actually the water was above the hay bales in most cases anyway, and on the north side of it there was a considerable amount of erosion that had overflowed the hay bale.

Joe: The one in the middle here the hay bales have absolutely not held an edge, but I think what makes perfect sense to address that is in that low depressed area, to get a load of crushed stone up against there to actually act as a primary filter, and that stone will slow that water down.

Rick: We can do that up the jersey barriers. We attempted work to re-establish the hay bale lines at the base, the minute you get in there all you are doing is bringing more mud in there now.

David: In looking at it, I see no way you can at this point and time do anything to reinforce the hay bales without just pushing it and making it even worse, but the fact is that is at least on the northerly side of it, it might be upgrading it worth putting a hay bale line or two to slow the flow down because at the bottom the silt has gone right over the hay bale.

Joe: I just want to be clear. I think it shows in photograph 2. So if the haul road does this, it is as we starting making that turn?

David: Where your straight lines come in, right there, coming out to a 45 degree angle, it is coming down into that hill there.

Joe: Let me tell you what is there, and I think I know what you are talking about as being vulnerable. In this area where the steep slope comes in, there are 3 or 4 rows of check dams along here which actually seem to be doing the job. What you are saying though, as you come around the flat area in around the corner?

David: At the very bottom, the last hay bale line is the one between where the water, the filter is filled up and overflowed down.

Joe: And that is at the toe of the slope? So what I am hearing is that we need to put check dams along the to slow the velocity down as well.

David: Potentially, what you did with the hay bales on the 3^rd pond, something to that effect.

Joe: So if we know where the breakout is, it should be showing as a watch, put a series of the check dams in. The trick with those, Rick, is you have to make sure that the first line of bales stays clean, because that is your first line of defense. Once they get faltered with silt, you'll start defeating them one row at a time. You have to stay on those. There

should be an every other day inspection, especially after a rainstorm or a warm day like today.

Joe: That was the area of 2. I apologize for the busyness that has happened on these plans, but there is a lot of things that have happened and it needs to be shown.

David: Before you go there, can we stick with the ILSF. The northerly ILSF also has breached hay bales, which concerned me because at the prime meeting when we discussed this I was assured that no work was going to be done anywhere near that ILSF, and at this point and time the fill has been pushed and overflowed to breached hay bales. I didn't climb there recently, but when I was there probably the beginning of January, those hay bales had been broken through.

Joe: I don't know. I didn't look at that area today. I didn't think it was an issue, but I do know that there was no filling that went down near there, and if we are seeing it, it is probably a manifestation of soil moving down.

Bob: This is sticking out of the ground, you will see a 3 ft. high orange fence, the fill is over that and it is over the hay bales.

David: It is the west wide of that, the northerly ILSF, and if you take the flat top of the slope and where the fill was pushed down, the slope goes right down and it has reached the hay bales. I didn't walk through there when I was up there on Saturday because I don't think I could have got back out.

Joe: I do apologize, I did not look at that today, focusing on what I thought to be the concern of the commission, I didn't focus on that, but I will tomorrow. I think the initial position needs to be that the Order of Conditions or those areas said the only reason we came in was because there was an impact, making it jurisdictional, and the fact that we said that at the conclusion of this there needs to be an environmental assessment and a restoration plan, as well as the stabilization of the areas around it. That all holds true, even today it still holds true.

Paul: At that time there wasn't an impact on the northern ILSF.

Joe: Actually, there was. The reason why it became jurisdictional is because there was if you recall.

David: It was not on the original Cease & Desist Order, it was on the southerly.

Joe: There wasn't an impact of direct fill, but there was an impact of the runoff getting to it.

David: There may have been. There was no fill there, and I don't recall when we visited the site there was water in it, but I don't recall if there was anything that indicated the fill had slid down into it.

Paul: When we first went up there, work hadn't approached that.

Joe: I agree. In fact there was plenty of room to put the hay bales even farther away. That is one thing I want to look at, because my recollection is that you put the hay bales in the most conservative location away from the wetland? I do want to confirm that if the hay bales, for example, are up on this flat area, way up in here?

Rick: We left at least a 40 ft. buffer from the hay bales and the ILSF.

Joe: That should be able to be verifiable from this plan, and we will need to do that tomorrow.

David: Outside, separate from what this commission is responsible, one of the things that was observed when I was up there was a gas line marker at the corner where you pass the southerly ILSF, it is not there anymore. I don't know if it was knocked down or otherwise, but it might be worth just double-checking it, where the road passes the southerly ILSF as it turns. It was Ms. Benezra who pointed it out that it wasn't there anymore.

Joe: Again, my recollection, when they put the seal plates over that line, it was actually with Tenaco's engineers on site, and that area where the plates were, that was the armored protection. There are steel plates beneath all of that.

David: This is not on the road itself, it is a little bit south of the road.

Rick: I know where you mean, Dave. They've mapped all those out.

Dave: Yes, it is outside the jurisdiction of this.

Joe: Well, it is a safety consumer. Actually, that is an important safety concern. Rick, just make note because when they come in and do the restoration plan, they start getting in with machines pulling up, they need to know where that is.

Rick: Tenaco has been up quite often and they know exactly what is there, and they know exactly where the pipe is.

David: The way you describe it I think it is part of the restoration plan, we should probably outline very clearly where everything is so that they know what is going in.

Joe: If you are satisfied with this area up here, we will move down with the description down here. Once again, I apologize the busyness of what is here, but given the degree of construction activities out here, it is appropriate. This area here is an area where the fill is moving across in the vicinity in the parking lot of the ball field, on the steeply sloped rock face, you'll be coming down the 12^th fairway, this is an area that has been filled for some six weeks now, and the work in this area has been generally stopped for about a good four weeks, but that is just coming in from getting away from this long haul road and then coming in this way, filling and moving over the edge.

David: Where you are describing right now is a big use because that is about where the turnaround was originally, right?

Joe: It is actually right where the turnaround is.

David: Because when we talked earlier, that turnaround was temporary and no fill was going to be put in that area other than turnaround.

Joe: Earlier, under this, but under the other Notice of Intent, which included this area in the toe hold project, that was included as the access area too, on that second of Notice of Intent filing. That actually is a Notice of Intent that was filed before the work actually began. I don't mean to add levity to it, but they actually attempted to apply for that and show that area prior to actually taking the work. But the reason why I show it the way I do is that in its movement through the haul trucking area, moving the material back in this area was the area they concentrated on first and concentrating on this area second, and it was shortly after beginning this, just prior to February 1. The enforcement order was February 7, but I think your enforcement action was February 1 and that was the first that we had essentially learned of your concerns. This area was stopped filling from the time of that meeting until tonight. This area had stopped prior to that, but certainly was filled before that night, and in the spirit of recognizing this was important to you and recognizing that it is all much greater than 100 ft. away, as the crow flies being outside of the jurisdiction act, but absolutely in the jurisdiction by virtue of its impact. We stopped, and I ordered them, and Rick in turn ordered the contractor to stop dumping over the hill, but needing, honest to God, needing to continue the material to come in, because the supply of the material in Boston, this has been a blessing, is exhausting. The material is running out. It will be gone about one month from now, middle of March. So recognizing there was enough ample flat area away from the slope up here, I stopped this and said if you are going to bring material in, bring it up in the flat area, keep it away from the slope so there is no threat of that material moving down on steep slopes and into the wetland areas. So since the 1^st of February, this area up in here is what has been used as a stockpile area, and I believe that is not only in spirit, but also in compliance with #1. I don't have a specific photograph in that area, but it does show up in the background of one of these photographs, and when we get to it I will point out what it is you are looking at.

Item 2 on your report is what is known as the jersey barriers, which we just talked about.

Item 3 was a Cease & Desist of all construction activities associated with the new drainage piping which is this new drainage piping on the fairway. They had complied with that, but as part of the BMP, these on inspection the way I saw the water flowing, I did instruct them to install this first manhole, the flared end section, and a couple of lanes of pipe out of that manhole. It is not as a violation, but I believe it is as a BMP, because in order to direct and capture the flow of waters off the surface of this area, we did a multi line of defense approach to filtering out the silt under various types of flow events. First approach is for the Notice of Intent and Order of Conditions allowed and required that was that the hay bales be here on the wetland itself. The Notice of Intent showed and the Order of Conditions required two rows of hay bales. At various points, there are at least two, sometimes three rows of hay bales, and even a fourth row of hay bales in a couple of areas. Those have been re-established along that edge. These photographs show that. There is the historic dug trench that has been there for a generation, that comes out of this little spur area, which in the wet conditions was allowing the water to get in through this low area. We actually laid to that channel three hay bales in a row to act as filters anything that tries to find its way even through the ground into there, so it is the primary row and then this row within the chandler itself. The line of defense just in front of that is in this whole area here, and for the sake of efficiency, I am going to say that the treatments in light of events that hold true for this pond will also hold true here. We can get into more detail when we talk about them. Along this whole line here is a dug in gravel and filter fabric, check berm, filter berm, they are all used interchangeably. Photograph 4 shows how that is. When it is dug into the ground, it has a filter fabric lying in the bottom of it, it has gravel laid within that mounted up about 2 ½ - 3 ft. high with that filter fabric turned up the face. What that allows for, is the water that finds its way off this hill, to not flow and expect just the hay bales to work, but in a high flow event to take the energy out of the flow of water, hit that berm water, filter through it, get the suspended solutes out of it, and then filter through the hay bales. As a matter of fact, you were saying David, the hay bales are not being completely effective.

David: It looks from your map like you have extended it fairly far, and what I am looking at is on the wetland there, the water level had gone up high enough that the hay bales didn't extend all the way around, actually it has gone above the hay bales in some cases.

Joe: When I said we are not in violation of the Order of Conditions, it is not the spirit trying to violate, but I instructed them to put this piece of pipe in that manhole in that end. It is in those high flow events or in events where that kind of water is coming down in this filter berm you can't pass the water through it fast enough, it gets to that flare red connection and moves it out away from the wetland, and allows that fairway just east across the fairway to slow it down.

David: What I observed when I was up there before was the water was high around where you have #3 written in red, that it was actually pooled around the end of the hay bales.

Joe: Since the gravel berm was in?

David: No, this was prior to that. This would fix that problem.

Joe: That is why I was concerned. What you just described is why we put this in. If you tell me it was still doing it, then you are wrong because it is not doing it. The first line of defense upgraded, last line of defense in this method, is up way at the tow of this hill at the edge of the car path, we dumped two rows of crushed stone that acts as the primary barrier. All these runoffs find themselves focusing right out to this area, all flowing and converging together, and the stone wanted to take the energy away, filter out, and get its course stone, so it doesn't filter out anywhere near all the turbidity. It slows down, takes some of the silt away, to then wet the filter and the slope actually is working when it needs to. The pipeline that I am talking about is photograph DTR #5 in the photo. That crushed stone is right up in this area here, and it shows at the toe of slope, a pile of stone right up in here trying to filter as much of the filler away quickly getting in a wetland, this plastic pipe is also covered in earthier, and that shows as detailed #5 here, which I will pass around. I need to talk about #7 first. So this stone here handles the concentrated confluence of flows off the hill, but recognizing in the torrential rain, which is inevitable in April and May, that there may be more widespread flows in this concentrated area, and to handle that, this whole edge right here has about 6 ft. high earthen berm, it shows up as #7, and the material that was dug out for the drain pipe was cast up gradient to create this high earthen berm, not as a filter, but only as an erosion control, and if in a torrential rain this hill were to start to slide down, it would have to overpower and overtop this earthen berm first, taking the energy away from it so these other systems would still continue to work.

Bob: How tall is it?

Joe: 5 to 6 ft. high, and they do show up as #7, which is beyond the drainpipe, which is #5 in those two photos.

David: I have a question geared towards when you resume construction there, which at some point in time, we assume will happen. A number of things like the earthen berm is going to have to move because the earthen berm is probably going to be under a considerable amount of fill, and you don't have to address it now, but I think one of the things we would like to hear at some point in time is how you are going to manage this whole thing when you have to start moving these due to construction.

Joe: Absolutely. These devices need to remain in place and functional and I draw attention to condition #7 in the Enforcement Order that says speaking specifically to the two retaining walls that are necessitated near these two wetland areas, that the retaining wall specifically "Install Rock Retaining wall now to function as a filter safety berm at Wetland 2". These protection measures all need to be in place until such time as that rock wall gets put in. The best time to put that rock wall in is now. The filter gravel, filter berm, dug out with stone in it and filter in it, is the very platform on which to build the retaining wall, so try to minimize the number of disturbances, but the wall would then go in and nested within that wall would be a layer of filter fabric in it, and then as the material comes across you would just back up the wall with the fill material, and once it is backed into stability, continue to raise up the fairway. I do want to note and look direct for clarification in case I speak out of turn, at one point at your Notice of Intent there was contemplated about a 6 to 8 ft. high retaining wall with a steep side slope up to your net equivalent of 22 ft. of fill in the fairway. My understanding now is there is not going to be 22 ft. of fill.

Rick Amirault: It is going to be modified, it is going to 15 ft. We don't propose to have you amend that determination on the rock wall, we will intend to build those just as the NOI said, but the result of decrease in fill will make the impact a lot less.

Joe: Let me just say clearly, what it was, it was a 6 ft. high rock wall with a 2 to 1 slope 8 ft. higher than the wall itself, so it was 608, it is much more money, a 16 ft. slope on a 2 to 1 slope. It is only now going to be 14 total, so this slope would become a 2 to 1, so the wall still being there, it just simply means that slide slope is flatter and just as far pronounced going out, thus making the slope that much more gradual, more maintainable, all less prone for erosion. That is truly a function of just the fill drying up.

David: Part or our intent in asking for that wall is that your average golfer where the tee box is going to be put, is going to regularly hit it in the wetland, and we wanted to keep people from going in there and damaging it to recover a golf ball.

Rick: We are going to begin the construction on the rock wall as soon as we are able, but

we will keep the rock wall as we go, keep the berm in place and we just fill, so you will always have that all the way along as we construct it, so they will never reach that as we go, so we will have that barrier always in place, mostly against the runoff until we get to the point where we are bringing the fill down the hill. We will begin to bring the fill down the hill when the drainage is in place and when those rock walls are in place.

David: So you are going to construct from the wetland towards the fairway to protect that?

Joe: For a lot of reasons, most of which is we want to fill against the wall, rather than build the wall and have the fill that is already there and you are trying to build the wall in slope surface, getting the equipment in and out.

Nancy: The rock wall is part of the Enforcement Action that is allowed to incorporate. All these other things need to happen after the Enforcement Order has been lifted.

Joe: What other things?

Nancy: Working within the buffer zone, building that slope, putting the fill in.......

Joe: Absolutely. Do you mean the slope area off the wall that I have just drawn?

Bob: That is correct.

Nancy: My apologies, I do have to leave early tonight so if I could just ask a couple of questions. I think the things I am most interested in are the schedule for all of these various activities, and most particular when all of this opens, easily eroded material is going to be covered up, not just within the areas within our jurisdiction, but in all of the other areas that are impacting our jurisdiction, and all the way out to the baseball field.

Joe: Everything that is shown on this plan, with the exception of this for BMP's, is already in place. The stone wall, we had a meeting today that actually cancelled, with the mason coming out to give them just that sort of timetable. The imported material, bringing the material in, and the moving of that material down to this low area, will be done around the second week in March. The material exhausts on the 15^th of March and it is expected that Modern Continental will demobilize equipment shortly thereafter. So all of the movement of material would have to occur on or about that day.

Rick: What Joe is saying also is that as the fill comes in we put a Modern Continental contract on site. Modern Continental knows there is a certain grade with their machinery. They have considered the fact when the fill is done, they will take the machinery off site whether we are at our grade or not, because now we are making them stockpile it on top for the time being, we need to get down to the bottom so they can use their machinery to get it. If we don't follow their schedule that Dave set up, they will leave the site and leave us with the fill on top.

Joe: With regards to the open disturbed area which is Nancy's ultimate question, is you have a timetable scheduled for building the ball field with grass on it, with kids playing on, what is that?

Rick: We have a completion date of June 1 on the baseball field, and the completion date is July 1 on the 12^th Fairway. But the 12^th Fairway for all intensive purposes, in fact the wetland would be loomed and seeded sometime early May, and that would be the time that we would look for our assessment and our remediation plan, at that point that would be no long impact at all because the whole thing would be drained and then stabilized with the sod and the hydro seed.

Nancy: Are you referring to the environmental assessment that is item #9 in the Enforcement Order?

Rick: Yes

Nancy: Don't we need that environmental assessment before we lift our Enforcement Order? Isn't that the way it is stated in the Enforcement Order?

Joe: No, the Enforcement Order is perpetual pertinent in the Order of Conditions at this point. It is there. There is a Cease & Desist over the fill over the hill portion of the Cease & Desist Order, and then the rest of implementation plan, still being part of it and binding.

Bob : We would request use of services of a wetland scientist to come to evaluate the site, come to us at a meeting probably in March to recommend rehabilitation of the area if necessary and other recommendations.

Joe: I asked Seekamp Environmental to submit to the chairman and see that he has a qualification statement. I am not sure if people have attended any of the seminars at MACC Annual Conference by Patrick Seekamp or Michael Seekamp. They are exhibiters and presenters on road patrol, supervision control and mitigation implementation plans.

Bob: They are also involved in wetland restoration, so the group is well qualified to review this particular type of project.

Joe: They are engineers and scientists, but they also provide a turn key restoration service, so they would not only do the assessment, but they will actually carry it out, undertake and complete it, initial compliance report is a completion of it all.

Nancy: So are you submitting this information to us because you would like our approval of your going ahead with hiring them?

Joe: I am leaning towards this type of firm, and this firm. I have asked for a qualification package to be submitted just so this committee can review it and see if you agree that I sought the right type of person.

Nancy: I reviewed that package and I agree that is the right type of firm, if not that firm itself, to do the environmental assessment as discussed in this plan.

Joe: It would be someone cut from that type of fabric, maybe not necessarily them, but certainly whomever we selected, we would get a full package from them as well, but it needs to be somebody of that type who can understand the science of it all and actually undertake the work.

Nancy: One more question, are we doing any water body sampling up there?

Joe: They are not.

Nancy: Because I was up there yesterday morning looking at the water flowing out of Pond #2, down there across from the playgrounds and there was an oily sheen there. I don't know where that could be coming from.

Rick: We will look at it tomorrow.

Joe: Being in the business, that is where the area is, but we would have to look up gradient and down gradient to be able to do sampling.

Nancy: I will probably bring it up at our next meeting. My apologies, I must leave now.

David: I was going to recommend at some point that we look at hiring someone ourselves to do it, to look at the plans and assess where it was, and the person I was going to recommend, if he is still available and does his work, is Terry Bastian. He did the initial assessment for the Parks Dept. back about five years ago. He was the person who found the vernal pools, recommended them, certification, etc., and should have a good idea of what it was like before any of this work started. Later on I would like to ask the possibility of hiring him so that we have someone that can look at it and also has the historical context about what these areas looked at before there was any construction.

Joe: You say to review whatever it is we submit, or he would actually take the planning?

David: To work for us to review what you do.

Joe: Because I didn't think Terry actually did restoration plans.

David: No, I am just looking for someone from our prospective to do verification from our side. I am not qualified to look at that, and he also has the historical perspective that knows what it looked like before.

Rick: Excerpts from his report five years ago were actually included in the first NOI.

Joe: Actually, you confused Rick a little bit. Mike Carr would certify the vernal pools with my work, and Terry Bastian did some work much earlier on, some seven or eight years ago.

David: When he was up there, I don't know who did the certification, but he was the one who brought to us that he believed that they were vernal pools and began to follow up on. I don't know who took it from there.

Joe: That is one of the things they were looking at, Aquatic Control, the nuisance weeds in the ponds on the first part of this report. Terry is qualified to do restoration plans, but he doesn't undertake them and implement them.

Joe: We are up in this 3^rd wetland area. The Same BMP is in place, but I need to elaborate on this as an absolute cause of what was contributing to the flow of silt into that area and that was an underground pipe, it was a perforated pipe that was connected up this fairway.

David: Was it full of the crushed stone that ran down the center of the fairway?

Joe: It always thought the crushed stone was the only thing that was, if not below it, it was near it, but it was nonetheless up the fairway, and this water that was finding its way into the fairway, was finding its way into the pipe and piped into this wetland.

Bob: That is where we are doing observation at the section of pipe that sticks above the second pipe below the water level.

Joe: Right, and the pipe that was sticking out is something that goes further into that well and I think when the backhoe got buried in there about 10 or 15 years ago, it was early in the 80's when it first happened. That pipe was something that is further into the well and it had been damaged when that backhoe had gone in there. But, nonetheless there is still even now a buried pipe somewhere beneath this fairway. What we did is chase it back some good distance away in this purple area, away from the wetland area, and dug down into the fairway, and broke the pipe, and defeated and blocked the connection out of this pipe so it would no longer flow into it, and within that sump filled it with filter fabric, crushed stone and sand, so now the water could find its way into the sump, recognizing that it diverted it out of the fairway and pushing it around this check dam. It is all eventually going to find its way down here, but this sump filters it out, it has to go through all of that material and finally would find its way back into the pipe here.

Bob: Can you describe what that sump is?

Joe: It is a hole, a dug hole in the ground filled with stone and filter fabric.

David: When we were out there on Saturday, we saw the hole and it is like "what is this hole" and the only think I could think of was I know that sometimes you dig a hole like that and stop the water and let the sediment come out.

Joe: It is right in the middle of photograph #8, this part of the material is cast on the downstream side of that sump. Now, extensively what we have juste created, we have created a big fat cooling area, where in the heavy rains the water is going to accumulate, as it should. It slowed down and allowed the suspended solids to do whatever they can by holding them to settle out before finding their way through the filters, the hay bales and into the adjacent wetland areas. That is item 4 of the Enforcement Order to immediately remove/defeat the pipe connection of wetland 3, and that has been accomplished. Along this area as we did here, we re-established the hay bale line, which is two rows, one around the wetland area itself, and the second running up to a rock out cropping tying into the slopes so nothing moves by it, and then running up well beyond the wetland and then up hill so in the heavy rain if that water does continue to rise (you said earlier the water rose so much it overtopped, it can't) that it runs far enough up the hill that it won't overtop, and in front of the hay bales on the fairway side is that same earthen berm detail.

David: Also so the water won't rise and barring to know what type of flooding, it won't rise and flow around.

Joe: In fact in photograph 6 on the far right to the earthen berm and then more interior to the wetland are the two rows of hay bales.

David: The gravel that is within the berm of the filter that you have, is there a potential that the water flowing through that couldn't pick up a sediment, or is it coarse enough gravel that it is not going to become suspended in water.

Joe: In fact it is just the opposite; it is fine enough gravel so as to hold it back. It is the

coarse stone and coarse gravel that isn't fine enough to move the fine particles of the silt.

David: That is what I mean, is it heavy enough so the water it not going to pick it up?

Bob: There is gravel in that filter.

Joe: And it has two layers of filter fabric.

Rick: It is wrapped in that filter fabric.

Joe: With regards to the items of fortifying the erosion controls and enhancing the erosion controls, I don't mean to emphasize the word enhancement, because given the ineffectiveness what was approved and in place, enhancement was not only appropriate, but necessary, because the erosion controls measure was not doing the job. I believe that this is what the first part of the Enforcement Order was looking to address. With these measures in place and in those we have taken tonight with regards to this area up here, it is our hopes that we can get as many members of the Conservation Commission to do a site walk to verify the results of our efforts and then verify where a compliance was in the order, and then to lift the Cease & Desist aspect with regards to the fill area. The stockpile area that is there now, we would like to get back out onto the 12^th hole, recognizing that the work of the stonewalls is something that we are just trying to finalize, we had hoped to have finalized for tonight, but the contractor did have to cancel today.

David: When I was up there, you had done part of the gravel and the filter fabric, but the ground seemed so soft there, I didn't see how you could get in to put more in. What I am leading to, is the ground firm enough to even start building a wall there now?

Joe: Where these filter berms are, he actually dug down and has built a platform, basically has built an urban footing on which to found the wall.

David: So in essence when you put in the wall, strip off enough dirt so that you have firm stuff on the base, or have you already done this?

Joe: I have already done it. I was trying not to repeat the destructions. When you get into an area, disturb it once, which should be the only disturbance without having to dig it up again. Every time you dig you are creating a vulnerability of the erosion.

David: One other area I didn't personally observe, is from Alderman Foss when we were up there talking about it. The wetland that has a stream that comes out of wetland 3 that I believe runs into a pipe or otherwise that comes out down on the wetland near Penny Road near the 14^th tee, and it was observed by a member of the public that is here tonight, that the infiltration of the silt into the wetland was going through that pipe, and I believe it is making it all the way to Penny Road.

Joe: The hydrologic flow is in that direction and finds its way to an open brook on the other side of the 14^th fairway.

David: So where I am going with this is if you could at some point look and see if it is appropriate to put some kind of cascade and hay bale system like you did by pond 3 just to prevent the outflow of any silt that did get into wetland 3. I don't know if it is necessary or not, but if you could take a look at it.

Joe: Yes, I will take a look at it. I will go so far to say here this evening, if there has been an impact down there that we would expand and scope the environmental assessment to include that area as well. There is absolutely a flow of water in that brook down towards Smyly Buick where it goes under the parking lot in the culvert.

David: It will be open to public comment and I will ask Mr. Foss to outline what he observed.

Joe: So it would be our hopes that we get as many members of the Conservation Commission to conduct a site walk as a way of verifying the effectiveness of what we employed and specifically with regards to compliance to the Enforcement Order, and we would do it certainly at your leisure, but we also would like to do it as soon as possible. I certainly will answer any questions that I am able to, and if not, I will direct them to Rick for answers.

David: The first question I have is that it is good you have done all of this. What I am asking, what is gong to be done to make sure it stays in place and stays effective?

Joe: Given the turbidity of the flow of the water because of the silt being so fine, hay bales have to be inspected daily, I look to you as an answer, but I look to Rick as a command. They need to be inspected daily that any accumulation of silt and water on the face of them be cleared away, and any of that silt that's found its way into pregnating the bales themselves need to then have the bales replaced. That needs to be done on a continuing daily basis. At a bare minimal after any heavy rain event, it needs to be a more comprehensive reviewed of anything that was divert away, creating any serious erosion, and then that erosion perhaps graded that away from the very areas that we put in protection on the base of them needs to be baled away and replaced. Any heavy rain event there needs to be more comprehensive review of anything that would divert away the very areas of devices we put in protection. We have the 6 ft. higher than berm that has not got 3 ft. of silt behind it. We should dig that silt out from behind to give us the 6 ft. of cushion again.

David: At the time we come to walk up there, could we get a written outline of what is going to be done, who is responsible, off hour contacts, the inspection schedule, etc.

Joe: Certainly. You will have 3-D contacts for at least two people, home phone, paging, cell phone. Also, my pager phone is on all the time 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and I am sure Rick's is too.

Bob: Do you plan to do it this weekend?

David: I think they would like it if we did it this weekend.

Rick: We will be available any time you want. We will be there and give you that information. It is that important to us that we do not hold this up even an hour longer than we have to. Whatever it takes, we will be there.

Bob: What day can some of you be available?.......

It has been decided that those who can will meet Saturday, February 17 at 1 p.m. at Rick Amirault's office.

Bob: A concern here as part of the Enforcement Order is the construction time line. Concerning the walls, you said your meeting was cancelled today so you don't know what that time line is going to be at this point.

Joe: The specific dates I don't, windows of dates I don't, but sequentially we do know that when the erosion control is in place, that silt along this fairway would only take place once the walls were installed.

Rick: Once we begin the wall and start it down the fairway, that berm and the wall will act what that berm is doing all by itself now, so once the construction begins on the wall, that is the point we will begin to bring material down as the wall gets built. That is how tight the frame is.

Bob: You are talking one month before this wall is to come up?

Joe; We are talking about the wall being complete in two weeks.

Rick: If I could make a request, I would like to at least get the portion of the Enforcement Order for the Cease & Desist lifted on the drainage pipe itself. I think it will help immediately as it is done for the drainage pipe we put on there to keep going with that across the fairway. Warm water will keep contributing down and will get closer to where the system works. What we have now is we have partial excavation for the bedding of that pipe, we have already installed heavy gravel, check dams along the bedding of that, the longer I leave that exposed then it compromised. I could just at least go ahead, keep working on that pipe, it won't compromise that bedding and will be sure that the check dams will be into the bedding of the pipes so no water will flow underneath the pipe and pick up any clay as it goes, and make its own water enforcement underneath the pipe. Where we have that half built now, I would like to be able to keep on going just on that portion, not look at bringing any more material down the hill, but at least going on the construction of the drainage pipe itself.

David: It sounds like what you are describing, that the best approach for us probably would be that when we go and do the site to look at the mitigation areas that you put in, you outline the work you want to do, and we agree that things are appropriate at that point, and the next check points we would want to do along the way too, but that sounds like something that is best done at the site walk.

Joe Lynch: Yes, best seen at the site walk, but I do want to emphasize that Rick is going to almost agree, but disagree a little bit, that this part of it is no problem whatsoever, and the home run, at least half way across no problem either, but if you were to disconnect and connect all the way to the edge, I would recommend lay the pipe in and actually then increase the size of the sump so discharge it to the sump.

Rick: No, we wouldn't break through those siltation barriers until the wall is complete, but at least the blind share of the work is just laying the pipe and the structure across the fairway.

Bob: So we are also talking about the employment of the Seekamp Environmental Consultants for an environmental assessment of the mediation plan for wetlands 2 and 3, and also ILSF, the water hole 1 and 2.

David: And also to assess wetland #1 as a result of it.

Bob: I guess, I haven't seen that one yet.

Joe: And the brook of Penny Road.

Bob: Yes. We talked about the possible employment of Terry Bastian as a result of the project.

Joe: The environmental assessment makes sense only once the disturbances are complete. The timetable Rick had mapped out is sometime mid May when we expect to have all the construction out of the way.

Rick: I recommend that we would bring on a company, whether this company is similar, that they bring their credentials to the commission, but the actual assessment really can't be done until we are at that point that I said we have all conceded and there would be no further construction at that point, then they can proceed with their plan for restoration, so in the meantime I would hope to get a group for your company to make a presentation on what they can do for us and know they are being retained, but they shouldn't start the assessment until at least mid May.

David: Actually, I disagree. I think a preliminary assessment should be done before that because at least in the two wetland areas there could be egg masses and other things that could be disrupted as a result of that, and they may be able to look at it now and see temporary things we can do before permanent restoration correction that might make them viable areas for the spring hatching season.

Joe: The restoration is a physical limitation of carrying the plan out and would need to take place after the hatch and during the dry season. You would drain the water down to be able to then move the leaf matter out, basically it is a rake and hand operation to take all that out without the water being there so there is no risk of any turbidity, and then you would lay on a clean layer of organics down to the bottom of it.

Bob: This would be occurring in July or August.

Joe: Right, and then you would assess the implementation plan probably in two growing seasons; it is usually a spring and fall growing season, and then a fall walk assessment as far as conformance whether to continue. When planting they are going to expect a 75% survival area, so if you already get die off and they didn't survive, you would have to replant in the fall and still let those re-plantings go through a second growing cycle.

Voted: To open up the meeting to the public.

Ken Foss, 50 Temple St.: I was up and observed the hay bales on the open brook and 3^rd pond this morning and I do not see where the fabric or the hay bales are doing too much other than aesthetics, that somebody cares. Then I walked further up on the road where the fill or the so called ball field is going to be constructed, and the water is coming from the so called flat area, but I would suggest that you did speak about the source in there. I would suggest that to combat the flow of water with the silt that a berm at the top of the fill area to divert the water because presently now it is running down along the ledge where they pushed down there, there was a big tree there, by the 11^th fairway, and it is accumulating down there. If you go up stream a little bit where the water is collecting and it has eroded the soil at least maybe 18 inches, it is digging a trough running down that hill. I suggest that a fine gravel berm be placed up there

Joe: So it transitioned through the flat area, the sloped area along the top, the water finds its way to the flat area. Consider that done.

Mr. Foss: That would cut down a lot of infiltration into the brook. Rick, you spoke about filling the amount of grade you are going to bring up the 12^th fairway.

Bob: What he was referring to is the original plan was 22 ft., but this area is going down to 15 ft.

Mr. Foss: One other question, the slope of the pipe that is going from wetland 2 or 3, it appears like it is pretty much flat. There is not too much slope to it. What is the difference in elevation between the two?

Rick: At the most 4 or 5 inches. The idea was that two wetlands and two resources areas are almost the same elevation, and the way the water interacted between the two was a very slow gradual flow from the first one to the second. That will be maintained through this pipe. We didn't want to accelerate the water down there. We want to keep the same height of flow from one to the other. We didn't want to isolate either one, especially the first one, so the grade of that pipe is very critical in there.

Joe: 0026 slope in this area, and 003.

David: For those of us who are not engineers, what does 0026 mean?

Joe: That is .26 ft. for 100, a quarter of a flood.

Rick: And the reasons we went with the big concrete structures like that, so we can actually get in there and clean them, is going to be critical because it is going to be so flat you are not going to some scouring velocities through that pipe, and it will need to be cleaned out. Admitted.

Mr. Foss: That makes sense. I agree with that. I want to get back to one other item that bothers me. I see the stockpiling where the so-called parking lot was going to go where the 11^th green is. The sand trap has got that Boston blue clay in it, and are we going to be building a retaining wall in that area or is that still going to be the parking lot?

Rick: It is still going to be the parking lot. What we did here is to build our resources this year on the 12^th, and we stopped short of the green because we will probably put some loam in, hydro seed those slopes around the green, but in the end that green is to be relocated and that will be the parking lot for the whole project. The land on the 11^th tee near the end is going to be moved all the way back to the top of the cliff and the green, so it will lengthen the whole hole and move the green the other side of that area completely away from the ball field. We will probably use the 11^th green as it now is a temporary measure until we get to the point where it will be relocated, so look for that entire slope to be loamed and hydro seeded with the season and then relocated.

Mr. Foss: I would like to see it removed.

Joe: What removed? The green?

Mr. Foss: Where the fill is. In some places it is 10 ft. above the green.

Rick: It is stockpiled toward the end and goes down on top of that parking lot right there.

Joe: It is not graded yet.

Mr. Foss: We aren't going to be talking about that until next year. I am talking about this year.

Rick: That is why I said temporarily we hope to loam and seed that grade around the 11^th to stabilize it until we fund the plan to move the 11^th backward, relocate the green and relocate the tee. So for the meantime that stockpile will stay, which in the end will be on top of that green.

Joe: In that area what is the end? Is it this fall season?

Rick: We really don't know exactly what the time frame is on for construction on the 11^th.

Mr. Foss: What I am saying, and I am pretty reasonable when I say this, that should be flared out. It is too much of an abrupt fill area that is coming down on that fairway and around that green. Morgan Continental has equipment up there, and they surely can push it away and flare that out, because I think that is an abrupt wall, and every time it rains........

Bob: He is going to move and flare out the hill.

Rick: We can bring that slope back.

Mr. Foss: Now the retaining wall, what type of retaining walls are we talking about on the 12^th fairway, wetland 3?

Rick: There are two resources areas and two different walls, wetland 2 is 6 ft. high, and the other one is 4 ft. high. It is a sloped backward retaining wall built with a gravel base, with filter paper in between.

David: To put it in context, the impression I got you go down to Square One Mall and there are those houses that you put on top of the mountain they built there, behind the Vet's, you know the rock wall they have there? My assumption based on like you described or as a symbol of that, I assume the rocks aren't going to be that big because you aren't going to use 8 ft. rocks, but it should be a similar style to that.

David: You are probably aware of this, but on the side on the 11^th fairway an irresponsible person with their vehicle did considerable damage to the green.

Rick: I know that.

Linda Benezra, 340 Porter St.: In that last discussion when you were talking about soil being stockpiled, I think we need to be sure that the air quality issues are addressed as well. If it starts to dry out and things start blowing around up there, I think that would impact the wetlands and stuff moves off and settles and affects plants, just caution about that.

Rick: We will control any dust probe during the dry season, and when it becomes necessary we will do watering of the area.

Terry Waugh, 357 Porter: I just have one observation. From the very beginning everyone has known where these wetland areas area. It is a shame more couldn't have been done to protect them so we don't have so much expense to reconstruct them. It is a shame we didn't use more care to watch out to save money.

John Dunne, Alderman at Large: Since you have heard all these plans. I presume you are being asked to approve it based on this plans they submitted to you. I would suggest before you do anything, the actual facts are that the proposal before you was unfunded. I think that has been a long-range problem with the entire situation there, coming in appearing before your board saying we are going to do XY&Z without the appropriation in place before the functions. That is not a choice of your board or of our board, but the fact is if somebody is representing to you they are going to build a stonewall or take any other actions, I suggest the main obligations of your board, since this is not a private contractor coming in, but rather municipal agency, is to say to him would you please demonstrate the appropriation that says you have permission in the funding to build this wall you are telling us about, because I submit to you, Mr. Chairman, all these are right now are drawings and there is no funding in place to do this construction.

Kay Dunn, 57 Appleton St.: I also am concerned about funding issues.

Bob: We have a site walk scheduled for Saturday, 1 p.m., meeting at Rick's office. In question will be that stonewall as part of your continuation of this project. Is that going to be completed before this subject gets into high gear come March or April?

Paul: In reference to the Alderman, I would say it is not our jurisdiction to be part of appropriation of funds for this project.

Bob: It is not the jurisdiction, it is clear the wall is going to be there.

Paul: The filling cannot occur until work on the wall is cemented.

Joe: My entire presentation was made from a technical perspective and science perspective in regards to providing a level of protection and mitigation to carry this plan out in an environmental sound way, totally devoid of an issue of funding. The issue of funding is mentioned in the Park Commission, Parks Supt., and in the contacts put in place, and the life and party to some of the discussions. I don't pretend to know all of them, but I recognize how hard the project has moved forward. I see it literally as 11^th hour, and I recognize this needs to be completed and this is a plan that I proposed to know that completion would move forward.

Bob: Upon the completion of the site walk on Saturday, the two commissioners who will be there, Paul and David, and any other commissioners that can go, should review the site to lift the Cease & Desist order upon your review of the site and the presentation that we see here.

David: I would like to phrase that a little bit differently, that it may be a phase lifting, that we may allow certain work as a result of impending other plans and further review of the work afterwards.

Bob: Any particular type of phasing, or just general phasing.

David: When we go through it and they show us the work they want to do on the pipe and if they are able to haul it back in or whatever needs to be done, that we just assess it and say it makes sense with what's in place, and if we have any questions of about of any of the subsequent work that we may ask to have them to address before we lift the whole thing.

Bob: The site walk will be Saturday afternoon, 1 p.m. at the clubhouse.

Voted: to adjourn at 9:15 p.m.

Respectfully submitted,

Nancy Pritchard, Secretary